As mentioned earlier, the removable tube at the top of the saxophone is called the neck, or sometimes gooseneck (presumably due to the "goose-like" sound produced when you blow on it with the mouthpiece attached). The Yamaha YAS-23 is a student line saxophone. All of the keys look the same, and the horn is very uncomfortable to play. The 901 model is considered their intermediate model horn, but these are just as good as many professional horns. Do you know any specific information such as manufacture date? Unless the horn has been previously relaquered. In the world of used saxophones, a reputable dealer adds value to a used horn by fully repairing it, advertising it, and representing it. Check out our guide to choosing a saxophone to start your search or call our saxophone specialist at 1-800-926-5587 for more assistance. Some had sterling silver necks (add 20%), very few were silver plated (add 20%), I’ve seen a gold one, although I was not totally convinced it was original. Your tastes will even change as you evolve as a player. I also test close multiphonics to see how the acoustics of the horn react. Most music stores will also rent saxophones if you would like to try one out. The second model is the transitional Conn which lies somewhere in between the New Wonder and the M series. An advanced "trick" is to play the overtones of Bb, B, C and D and compare them to their fingered counterparts. The Conqueror series (26M and 30M) have very elaborate adjustment mechanisms and solid silver key touches. These horns were manufactured in France and the most popular models are from the 50's and 60's vintage. Another good brand that has come out Taiwan that has recently come across our radar is called Chateau. They were lacquered at a later date. I’ve seen some 400 baris, but none with top hat and cane engraving or other distinctive features of this series. C soprano $1000 The Bundy and Vito both have key structures which are similar to prefessional horns (although because of this, they tend to have key problems after being played by less than careful students) and have a solid reputation as good instruments. So you may have found a saxophone you are interested in. Most people would rather have a vintage Conn than a pre-Balanced Action Selmer. Horns were suddenly worth much more money than before. Soprano $2500 There is some price overlap with higher-end student models and more affordable professional models. Straight soprano $ 2000 Replacing rods on most models isn't a big deal, but there are some older horns out there that are much trickier. Keilwerth saxophones have developed a strong, devoted following, and have even stolen away many devoted Selmer players over the years. Some players love a certain horn and others hate it. Here is a link the SML section in the online museum to help you better aquaint yourself with what a good vintage SML should look like. M SERIES 260XXX – 834XXX The Zephyr baritone remained essentially unchanged throughout the production run and sound great. Also, the materials and craftsmanship of older used horns is usually superb. When was the last complete service and repad? We will go into greater detail about these items as the section progresses so you can try and determine if the horn's current owner is telling ou the straight story on the saxophone in fro, nt of you. Almost perfection ! Today's market is full of many manufacturers who claim to offer cheap "professional" model horns. Some of the most ugly, worn-looking horns are also the best playing horns. The newest horns on the market are all strong competitors and deserve to be tried on their own merits. On some horns, the rods will be silver while the body is a gold color. I’ve seen a couple of people pay some really stupid prices for these. Don't be fooled by this kind of hype. Baritone 12M $ 3600. For a long time most horns that were coming out of Asia generally got a bad rap, but the folks at P Mauriat did it right. The most common gold plated horns are Bueschers and Conns. Sopranino, soprano, baritone, and bass Mk VI’s were made until the introduction of the Super 80 series. That is why it is especially important to only purchase from reputable dealers or people who have clearly documented the positives. Also, plating on vintage horns is often done in "satin finish." Silver plating is easy. This model underwent some changes but basically remained the same until about 1924-1925. As you learn more about saxophones, you will be better able to take advantage of potential deals from pawn shops and avoid the potential pit falls. These dealers typically relied on the premise that vintage horns were incredibly scarce and extremely valuable, a premise that the Internet has radically dissolved. These horns are very consistant, having great action, and impecable intonation. This comes from inserting the neck into the horn, then putting the mouthpiece on afterwards. The condition of this Sceptyr is good. Browse below. This is HUGE when buying any horn!!! The new saxophone also offers support, in the way of a warranty, from the factory and/or the music store where you purchased it. One note of caution: if the owner says "this horn belonged to...", be skeptical, unless the owner has positive proof. I called the police and they sent a plain clothes officer who purchased the stolen bari for $50, then arrested the guy. Basically, you need to make sure that the rods are not over, y pliable and do not move back and forth. These are great horns, but they are NOT Selmer Paris horns and are not worth any more than a standard vintage horn. Sometimes you can even get a new saxophone at a very good price. These are the very best of the Aristocrat series. For players, when you go to try a horn always pack the following essential items: For non-players, you should try and examine the horn as closely as possible. In this instance, you probably know what you are looking for, so we'll mainly focus on choices for limited budgets. There are generally a fair amount of used Tenors out there that start around $800. Better feel and intonation than the Balanced.. Brown plastic resonators are also commonly used, and are a good substitute for metal resonators. These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! In the vintage vs. modern section we will give some tips as to determining the quality of a vintage horn. After this point, the horn started gaining some popularity and was sold in mass quantities. Selmer Mark VI Tenor Sax Original Lacquer 95% With Original Flight Case Another thing to consider is the level of instrument you wish to purchase. Well, closer than anyone else has been able to get. There seem to be very few people (outside of a few collectors) buying these horns. There are some used saxophones that cost a lot more than new ones, kind of like violin players and the Stradivarius. Rods can sometimes be the only way to tell if that shiny new saxophone is made to last! Instead, we will share our subjective experie. But there is a problem that can cheat you. (This is one good reason why it is good to buy horns from a Professional Saxophone Shop like Saxquest because they will fix many of these inconsistancies.). The Buescher is the best kept secret of vintage horns. ion, chances are the person is a dealer or has not owned the horn for that long. Because they have recently started gaining momentum as a good affordable professional level saxophone, the price has started increasing. Baritone $3300, SUPERBA II With pro shops, they recieve the horn, take it completely apart, somtimes replace corks and felts throughout the horn with better material, and make adjustments so that the horn is playing at its optimum level. I find their intonation to be sketchy at best. It’s important that the serial numbers on the neck match the body. What may seem like a deal at first may not end up being such a great deal when its found out that $350-$500 in repair is needed and/or that the mouthpiece is broken. Were it not for the Internet, it is quite likely that Selmer saxes would be selling for $5000 a piece no matter what their condition or quality, although there would still be regional inequalities hiding in the Heartland. Bass $ 7500. BALANCED ACTION 21751 – 35800 I think these horns are undervalued. Baritone $ 3000 In the beginning of the Internet "gold rush," a really interesting thing happened. “TRANSITIONAL” 240XXX – 260XXX Look for areas where the gold may be wearing off. Silver plated ones bring 20% more, I’ve never seen a gold plated one. Here at Saxquest we strive to maintain a large inventory of top-shelf vintage and modern saxophones, from the great Selmer Mark VI of yesterday to modern makes such as P. Mauriat and Keilwerth. If the person can't answer any of these questions and acts nervous, the horn may be stolen, in which case you can ask for the serial number and call the police to have them check it out. These horns were manufactured by Julius Keilwerth for Herb Couf and are some of the finest instruments ever made. So if you can't afford the best and most expensive horn on the planet, try and make the best decision you can with what you have, and remember that the music is what it's all about. It’s generally agreed that Selmer made some of the very best horns of all time. Alto $ 2000 entually need to be replaced if possible. Around number 272XXX, the Super 20 was introduced. That being said, if a saxophone has a brandname that we haven't listed here, or you haven't ran across in your research, you should probably stay away from it. Sometimes you will see these for sale and shops will tout them as Selmer! Non-specialized multi-store retail stores, or more commonly called chain stores, are (in our opinion) generally the least desirable place to purchase a used horn. Saxophone.org. We have full understanding that our experiences with these new horns may be different than other players. They are great professional level saxophones, and stand up right alongside all of their counteparts offered from other manufacturers. Am 48 and a lover of sax.when I was a young boy I used to play flute but didn’t grow with it. Chances are, the horn has been repaired by someone who is not qualified. Soprano $1500 The only dumb question is the one you don't ask. They lost their rolled tone holes after WWII. Usually seen in silver, deduct 20% for lacquer, add 20% for gold non-artist examples. Sometimes these recommendations are made with little or no consideration given to resources outside the immediate community. The down side of purchasing from a store like this is that prices will be higher than other non-specialized stores, or individual dealers with little or no overhead cost. Here is a link the Buescher section in the online museum to help you better aquaint yourself with what a good vintage Buescher should look like. It's actually the only part of the sax that has silver on it. If they are weak, your saxophone will not stand up to extended or rigorous playing. If you know you are going to have to pay to get rods replaced, you should figure this into your offer for the sax. Be sure that you evaluate the purchase price of the horn as a whole (including the interest) and compare it to your other options. In the last few years, starting around the late 80's, these problems were addressed, and the new horns are quite good. Soprano $1500 Alto $4600 There is also a significant psychological effect of knowing that this is a NEW saxophone. This horn may also have some minor rod or key damage that keeps it from playing properly. You will grow with. The Cleveland models(Cleveland is stamped on the bell, and that is the city they were manufactured in) are considered by many to be the best vintage Super 20s. The Mark VI is a truly great saxophone, but you must reserve judgment until you play it. The engraving is beautiful, but they just don’t play very well. Horns began appearing in Internet classifieds at the prices they were selling for in the. This raises another possible complication of buying a used horn from a private party (and sometimes even music stores). Any reputable repair shop will gladly inspect a third party used instrument for a small fee (usually in the $25 range). Older (vintage) saxophones usually have a great deal more engraving and frills than any other kind of horn. Alto Magna $ 2300 Case in point, I once called on a Conn alto listed for $1000. Don't. The later examples have snap in pads and Norton springs. From the dealers' point of view, it makes business sense to buy horns at a low price and sell at a higher price to reflect the time and money spent improving the horns and offering extra services. Some repair technicians use these non-resonator type pads because they are cheaper than the other type. Selmer also released the Mark VII starting in 1975. Alto “Typewriter” $ 1600 : Yes, I'm sure. In general, I don't recommend the pawn shop as the place for parents to go looking for a student model saxophone for their budding young saxophone beginner. Another excellent choice in the vintage saxophone realm is King saxophones. Also, if your saxophone was to be stolen, you know you could go to your local Yamaha dealer and get another identical horn. The worst danger is that a repair person will take off too much metal in the process. I do buy YAS-23 and YTS-23 student saxophones if they are in good condition, with the understanding that margins are very thin on used student altos, so I can’t pay a lot for them. Ultimately Ebay might be best for establishing the ceiling price for a used instrument. In most cases, truly fam, ous players' horns either wind up staying in the family or going to a close friend or musical associate. Very dark tone, great workmanship. In fact, some music stores even rope them off or put them in glass cabinets. A lot of pull-downs can be fixed, but if the neck has had previous repair it should figure into the cost of the horn. Sopranino $ 2000 The serial number on this one reads, ''XX4022''. As you can probably tell we only have a few different brands mentioned here. Silver is not uncommon (add 15%), gold a little more scarce (add 20%).. Sopranino $ 2100 If I had been someone else looking at the horn, I could have easily bought it for $50 and no one would have been the wiser. They will always have snap in pads and Norton springs. Tenor $ 2900 Another problem found on many horns is a lack of consistency in quality from the manufacturer. Some people love King student models and some people hate them. Here is a small example: My final recommendation on purchasing a horn through an on-line auction is to communicate in-depth in writing with the seller, even if the auction listing has a great deal of information. Seller: It has gold-colored rods. Rus, t in these spots means that the rod is water-damaged and will ev. P MauriatP Mauriat is a relatively newer saxophone brand that really took off around 2008. There are also a myriad of classified sites such as classifieds2000. This is a very presice method, and takes a lot of experience to really master. Dealers were forced to compete with the local-level market on the same terms as a national competitor, since the Internet provides, in one place, an equivalent and much more diverse inventory. There will be timbral differences, but on a great horn, there will not be a change in the intonation. Nothing else is quite like it. Play one in good adjustment and you’ll see what I mean. But if done to much this process can lead to the degredation of integrity of the tone hole metal and can eventually make a tone hole unusable. Let your good judgment guide you when it comes to these businesses. Any of these saxophones models is a great place to start. This is generally a sign that the horn is a student model. Here are the questions you should have answered so far: Some of these questions, especially the question of new or used, will require more information to make an informed choice. If you are a player yourself, it is easy to get caught in the moment and not try a horn out as thoroughly as possible. Also, the materials and craftsmanship of older used horns is usually superb. Some dealers even go so far as to re-engrave a horn so it looks brand new. The rolled tone hole models, 67R for Altos and 66R for tenors, have a huge, robust sound that comes pretty close to a vintage Conn sound. Good rod, side-to-side between the supporting posts. Apparently the thief never put 2 and 2 together to figure out that it was originally my horn. ), Someone who knows nothing about saxophones or the sax they have, Someone who will only show the sax outside their home or business, Someone who is too anxious to sell the horn. Your attitude will improve your playing more than any horn ever can. The section above about vintage saxophones named several professional models by name. Hopefully by now you know better what kind of horn you are looking for. Soprano $ 2200 MODELE 26 4451 – 11950 Tenor $ 3200 There is strong demand for these fine instruments. If it is positive, is it all recent, or is it spread out over a long period of time? Mark:  Okay, well thank you very much for your time. These are the first horns that really sound like Selmers. If you have a saxophone-playing friend along, make them test every note against a tuner, and play loud and soft. The bottom line is that you are making a significant financial decision and need to be as informed as possible to make a sensible judgment. The trade offs are in sound, feel and appearance. They should be soft, with no rips or tears, and should cover the hole completely. Check the items they have sold or bought and make sure it relates to the item at hand. Vintage Saxophone Value Guide | Sax Gourmet "Typewriter" Right Hand Keys      "Typewriter" Left Hand Keys. For the 2020 holiday season, returnable items shipped between October 1 and December 31 can be returned until January 31, 2021. New horns can cost up to 10 times as much as their used counterparts (not necessarily the same manufacturer and model, but a comparable professional horn). Tenor Music Man $2800 very rare, but fabulous! Lots of minor variations along the line: necks; engraving; side key attachment etc., but even the worst of them is not bad. This can be a repair nightmare and can cause a great deal of expense. Usually these professional setups are considered part of the sale, because these shops know that you are buying more than just the Saxopohone. The actual market value on the horn was closer to $300. Alto $ 900 Also, there should never be rust by the screws or ends of the rods. You know that it has the most modern mechanism available and utilizes all of the modern production techniques. A lot of the marketing of new horns depends on the mystique of their older models. The Mark VI is a truly great saxophone, but you must reserve judgment until you play it. Music stores are sometimes just as ignorant about saxophones as the uninformed buyer. Here is a link the Martin section in the online museum to help you better aquaint yourself with what a good vintage Martin should look like. Baritone $ 3600. Chances are that the one you are looking at isn't the one Bird used to play "Star Eyes" on the "Swedish Scnapps" album. These horns are manufactured in Taiwan, and are hand assembled. Most Selmer Paris Saxophones are eligible for free shipping. However, by educating yourself and taking a common sense approach, these hazzards can easily be minimized. This is another good consideration for a vintage pro horn. It was designed by my good friend and legend Santy Runyon. Hopefully after reading this guide, you will be better equipped to determine these important facts. Alto $ 2100 Sometimes the horn you are looking at has been stolen from someone. If a horn has its original finish, it is worth more than one that has been relacquered. The best course of action is to include recommended sources in equal stature to the other sources that you find. Also, band directors forge relationships with local music stores that give them the best prices on merchandise and instruments. People also became more accustomed to the idea of the Internet as a source of research material on almost any subject. The saxophone is comprised of two major parts: the neck and the body. As described in earlier sections, the prices reflect value added by the business. The bari had been mistreated badly while in the thief's possession. There are dealers out there who make a regular point of cheating customers. The only problem with the paper is that it can be a very fickle place to search. There are some good ways to tell if a horn has been relcquered, especially for certain models. Baritone $ 2800. This is a big decision when it comes to buying a saxophone. Dealers were forced to compete with the local-level market on the same terms as a national competitor, since the Internet provides, Before the Internet, individual dealers offered a change of pace from national retailers. In other words, you want to make sure … There are lots of variations on the Martin theme, and below are the ones that I think you should consider. Some possible clues of a relacquered horn are: It's hard to see, but this 1950 Selmer Super Balanced Action alto has been relacquered... notice the shallow engraving on the top part of the bow. I would encourage those critics to do their own research and publish their own findings. The more you know, the better equipped you are to do business with a music store. There are several professional shops throughout the United States that specialize in the Saxophone, and many of them will not sell a horn without giving them a full professional setup or overhaul. Sometimes people forget (sometimes on purpose) to tell you that it says "Bundy" after the "Selmer," or "Cleveland" after the "King." These horns are much more desirable than any of their ancestors. I’ve never seen a gold example. There are LOTS of things to consider and after following the logical list of do's and don'ts the ultimate decision is a very personal one that relies as much as anything on your "gut" feeling about that particular instrument and how it responds to you. A lot of Buescher True Tone saxophones are gold plated. These types of stores usually carry a diverse inventory, although not normally heavy in new/used saxophones. Another curious repercussion of on-line auctions is the realization that some horns are not nearly as rare as dealers previously wanted us to believe. With the advent of on-line auctions, such as eBay, there was a fantastic resurgence in the number of these saxophones available, but it has started to die off in the last couple years. It needs to be in good condition in order for the sax to play well. This may not seem like much up front, but there are many hidden parts to the added value such as a return policy, an 800 number, electronic communication, and business-level recourse in the case of fraudulent activity. If there is a specific reason for some anomaly, perhaps they can explain it. When you are first starting out, it's not the sound of the saxophone that matters, it's how it looks. This section could easily be an entire novel. If the person can't answer any of these questions and acts nervous, the horn may be stolen, in which case you can ask for the serial number and call the police to have them check it out. Baritone $1800 You will likely spend extra money to get it to the same level a dealer would offer, and without the advantages mentioned above. The down side of these stores is that they rarely have expertise specific to any single instrument. Are there flowers in a pattern around the writing on the bell? The Buescher professional model of the 40's (the Aristocrat) is an incredibly well-designed and well-produced horn. … For saxophonists today, these old horns can offer a unique. That’s not to call them “relacquers”, necessarily, but — especially if the horn’s an American make — if the horn is that old and it’s lacquered, you want to check it very, very closely. There’s nothing on this Earth quite like one of these at full song! This variability and price inflation may be one of the hardest problems you'll face when you go to buy your horn. These are caused by the technique used to remove dents from a saxophone. Hopefully this information will serve you well when it comes time to purchase your first or next saxophone. Selmer also has released the Reference 36 and 54 model saxophones which are a throwback to their vintage Mark VI horns. A horn that has no dents and has 50% of its original lacquer probably plays very well -- otherwise it wouldn't have a good body with a lot of finish missing. A music store with a Mark VI sitting in the window is going to act as though the horn is made of solid gold. This story is a classic example of the usual life cycle of a stolen horn. With literally thousands of choices, a used horn can usually be found in your desired quality and price range. Baritone $ 2500 In closing, the best piece of advice we can give is to be as informed as possible. Check the feedback rating of the seller to see if it is positive. Baritone $ 3400 has no chromatic F# If the horn shows some of these signs, it may not be original. onn produced some marvelous instruments during the saxophone craze in the 1930's, they could not beat the improvements in action and feel offered by the refined Balanced Action model. You generally don't see as many of them as the other three big brands, but they definitely hold their own. The most common question we field regarding used horn pricing is why national dealers charge "lots of money" for a horn they are not willing to "pay that much" for. Also much like Selmer, new Keilwerth saxophones can get a little pricey, so it's good to find the right horn for you. Baritone $3000. That being said, if you are looking at something that isn't listed, This section could easily be an entire novel. The straight tone hole models, called the System 76, have a little more resistance, and are a little more comparable to a vintage Selmer.These horns have a great feel and intonation is very solid all the way through. The public was unaware that the Internet classifieds were a radically different animal than their local classifieds. What percentage of the finish is still intact? Alto $ 2400 Because saxophone is the very sensitive musical instrument to play. They have also snatched up a lot of big name saxophone artists as endorsers along the way. Ask if you can have it looked over by a local repair shop. There are ways to tell if a saxophone has suffered any major dents. Most music stores offer a good selection of used horns, and stores like SaxQuest specialize in classic pro horns. These stores often lose touch with the local music community and are staffed by people who know little about music or instruments in general. Until the advent of the Mark VI, the Conn M series baritone took the lead as the bari of choice for saxophonists, especially in big bands. Curved soprano $2500 Deduct 10% for lacquer, add 30% for gold. Many musicians, young and old, successfully use eBay not only as a place to find new Musical Instruments and equipment, but as a way to help fund their passion. Yani also produces a curved soprano that we consider to be the best out there. Never bid on an on-line auction that does not have photos either in the listing or available through e-mail, and ask specifically for photos showing any damage or wear. We have played Reference models that were just as good as some of the best Mark VIs, but we've also played some that were just okay, and if you are going to spend that much bread on a new Selmer it should be one of the great ones. After asking a few questions, I immediately knew it was my Buescher True Tone that was stolen the year before. Student models come up in the paper and on Craigslist fairly frequently, and are readily available through dozens of Internet sites. Even professional saxophonists must deal with this problem on a daily basis. Pads are simple enough. Anyone who has been to an auction in some dusty barn surrounded by cool old antiques knows the rush of bidding on something you really want. Small (less than 5mm across) dents will not affect the sound of the horn, but excessive dents should be figured into the price. Tenor saxophones are also commonly considered to be the most versatile member of the saxophone family.